The possible death of "Otherkin-ism"?

Roy · Post by **Roy** » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:54 pm

God_of_Awesome wrote:My fursona is a AH-64 Apache helicopter.

I loled. Hard.

CatharzGodfoot · Post by **CatharzGodfoot** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:18 am

Once when I was six I claimed to be a reincarnated pterodactyl, and then I ran around flapping my arms and going "kree!". Does that count as having a fursona?

Cynic · Post by **Cynic** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 2:50 am

Pfft... you can't top me and Casey Mcglynn below on our otherkin-ism

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Guyr Adamantine · Post by **Guyr Adamantine** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:05 am

Fuck you I'm a dragon!

Parthenon · Post by **Parthenon** » Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:07 am

Sometimes I believe I'm human. Does that count?

Draco_Argentum · Post by **Draco_Argentum** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:43 am

Parthenon wrote:Sometimes I believe I'm human. Does that count?

I think you mean mutant bald monkey.

God_of_Awesome · Post by **God_of_Awesome** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:15 am

Of course, I find otherkin odd but harmless, but I am not one of the billions of American who are mugged, molested and murdered by otherkin every year. Every five seconds, a hate crime is being perpetuated by otherkin against those of us not born with a non-homosapien soul.

The More You Know.

schpeelah · Post by **schpeelah** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:36 pm

This thread makes it tempting to write about my former life as a refrigerator.
But I think I'll settle for:

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:31 pm

God_of_Awesome wrote:Of course, I find otherkin odd but harmless, but I am not one of the billions of American who are mugged, molested and murdered by otherkin every year. Every five seconds, a hate crime is being perpetuated by otherkin against those of us not born with a non-homosapien soul.

The More You Know.

And knowing is half the battle.

Mask_De_H · Post by **Mask_De_H** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 6:46 pm

My other fursona is a Fleshlight.

Parthenon · Post by **Parthenon** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:25 pm

How are otherkins related to people who believe that they were animals/whatever in a past life and have been reincarnated as human?

I think I can see a few similarities between the two at first glance.

Jilocasin · Post by **Jilocasin** » Mon Feb 22, 2010 11:59 pm

Mask_De_H wrote:My other fursona is a Fleshlight.

Ahahahahahahaha!

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:46 am

Parthenon wrote:How are otherkins related to people who believe that they were animals/whatever in a past life and have been reincarnated as human?

I think I can see a few similarities between the two at first glance.

Both groups are stupid nutjobs for believing in something so asinine and retarded.

Kaelik · Post by **Kaelik** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:21 am

Maj wrote:Both groups are stupid nutjobs for believing in something so asinine and retarded.

Yeah, stupid Hindis, they should believe something normal like that god has a literal body and lives on another planet and that red skinned people are evil murderers and that god has literal conversations with a single living person who is definitely descended from Joseph Smith.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:46 am

yeah, reincarnation is just as reasonable a religious concept as resurrection, a three in one god, or bread and wine being turned into flesh and blood for millions of cannibal disciples to consume every day.

Ganbare Gincun · Post by **Ganbare Gincun** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:03 am

Prak_Anima wrote:yeah, reincarnation is just as reasonable a religious concept as resurrection, a three in one god, or bread and wine being turned into flesh and blood for millions of cannibal disciples to consume every day.

Religion: still utter bullshit!

angelfromanotherpin · Post by **angelfromanotherpin** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:24 am

Prak_Anima wrote:yeah, reincarnation is just as reasonable a religious concept as resurrection, a three in one god, or bread and wine being turned into flesh and blood for millions of cannibal disciples to consume every day.

I beg to differ. The Trinity makes no sense at all, and can only be explained as 'a mystery,' which in Catholicism specifically means that it is incomprehensible nonsense that no amount of double-talk can even pretend to reconcile. The transubstantiation of the communion is just straight-up provably false. Reincarnation is both straightforward and non-disprovable.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 3:26 am

they're all exactly as reasonable when one's talking about religious concepts, which is to say "not at all, in a scientific context" and "as much as you want to believe it, in a religious context"

God_of_Awesome · Post by **God_of_Awesome** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:02 am

Also, well I sure hope death isn't the end of it, eh.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:43 am

I think there is a difference between things which are logically incoherent, things which are grammatically incoherent, and things which are false. Things that are logically incoherent simply cannot be true. Dualism and omnipotence cannot exist. It's not that they don't exist, it's that on simple pure reason you can figure out that they can't. Things that are grammatically incoherent simply can't even be described, and therefore cannot be believed. No one actually believes in the Trinity because it doesn't make any sense. No one knows what it is that they are supposed to be believing, so no one does. On the other hand, there are things like Joseph Smith claiming to have found some golden tablets that contained ancient writings about some tribes in North America that were written by powerful beings from another planet. Golden tablets, writing, ancient tribes, North America, and life on other planets all probably exist - but everything Joseph Smith said was provably false. He never had any ancient tablets, golden or otherwise. The tribes he talked about never existed and lived in ways that no tribes in the areas he talked about lived at any point in history. And he never met any creatures from another planet. It has been demonstrably proven that Joseph Smith was a liar, a fraud, and a child molester.

So no educated person should believe any of those things. But the kind of inspection required to disbelieve them varies. Joseph Smith's claims are pretty funny, but you actually have to look at some real world data like "There were no fucking horses or iron working in North America before the coming of the Vikings, you lying fuck." to have proof that a lot of it is wrong. On the other hand, stuff like Souls can be disproven simply by thinking about it, and stuff like the trinity cannot be believed in the first place.

-Username17

Maj · Post by **Maj** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:19 am

It's reassuring to know that no matter what anyone writes, the posters here will always fire off the same old comments in reply. You guys are getting too predictable.

God_of_Awesome · Post by **God_of_Awesome** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:24 am

FrankTrollman wrote:On the other hand, stuff like Souls can be disproven simply by thinking about it...

Oh really? That's quite a definitive claim. I still believe in souls, so if you don't mind, enlighten me.

Username17 · Post by **Username17** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:37 am

God_of_Awesome wrote:
FrankTrollman wrote:On the other hand, stuff like Souls can be disproven simply by thinking about it...
Oh really? That's quite a definitive claim. I still believe in souls, so if you don't mind, enlighten me.

Souls are a form of dualism. Dualism is the idea that your mind is non-physical. This is false.

For your "mind" to be a thing, it would have to be the thing that controls your actions. If it controls your actions, it must be able to interact physically with things, which makes it a physical thing. Interacting with other physical things is the only requirement we place on something being a physical thing. So "you" cannot, in any way, be a "non-physical thing." It's logically impossible.

Any thing that is not physical must by definition not interact with physical things, which means it could control your body, because your body is a physical thing. If it isn't in charge of when you stand up, sit down, or masturbate, it's not really "you" in any meaningful sense of the term.

Wikipedia wrote:Criticisms of dualism have been very successful among modern scientists, and it is currently a minority view. Scientists commonly assume the materialist view that only the physical, and thus measurable, is real. Mental states and processes are viewed as biological states and processes.

-Username17

God_of_Awesome · Post by **God_of_Awesome** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:49 am

Leonardo Da Vinci once postulated that if the soul exist, it exists in the brain. That is, our soul is merely mind as it were, is the mind, the electrons running through our brain cells. I like to think their is more to it than that, I hope their is. Mostly, I hope their is an afterwards, an afterlife.

All I have is a hope, no proof, no facts, no science. Just hope. Take that away, tell me that all I am is a piece of flesh that happened to gain sentience and cognition, convince me so utterly I cannot denie it and that their will be nothing afterwards, well I'll go Cthulhu fucking mad.

I will laugh and shout and kill without worry or care because it doesn't matter. But this is getting into philosophy so I'll stop here.

Prak · Post by **Prak** » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:56 am

just because there's no afterlife doesn't mean there's no reason to not go on a murderous rampage. For example: There may not be some kind of postlife reward/punishment system, but there is a reward/punishment system in actual life, it's called Prison. I don't believe in an afterlife, but I don't go around killing people who I think deserve it because I don't want to get raped by Bubba and the Aryan Brotherhood for the rest of my life...